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Jan 11, 2019 04:37:45

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by @samlloyd | 284 words | 🐣 | 10πŸ’Œ

Sam Lloyd

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Throwing a "like" someone's way on Facebook or elsewhere is a lot easier than having to write a comment.

But having to write a comment creates a conversation and builds relationship bridges when "likes" don't.

When you write a post and x-number of people "like" it, you get quick and dirty metrics on how validated you're allowed to feel.

But when you write a post and someone comments? Gold. Someone (presumably) read what you said and is having a conversation with you.

Throwing someone a "like", I will admit, is pretty lazy. It's an admission because throwing a lazy "like" is about 90% of my Facebook activity. You can "like" a post without actually liking or engaging with the person.

Writing a comment takes effort and forces you to actually - y'know - communicate with a human.

When I first started using 200wad I thought 'geez, the lack of a "like" button is really annoying, can't wait for that to be implemented'.

Now I've been on here for the better part of a week, and I think it would be a bad idea. I believe that one part of why this community is growing so successfully is because you can't just throw a lazy "like" someone's way. If you like someone's post you comment and say "hello [person's username], I liked your post!"

I've discovered two things:

1. When I comment on someone else's post it forces me to explain why I liked it, which deepens my understanding of what they wrote about;
2. When someone comments on my post I learn something new, every single time.

If we turn this into "yet another social network" we might lose this aspect, and I don't want to.

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    @keni @basilesamel @gabrielgreco @lexc @jasonleow @Arcticloon @itsabhinaya @abrahamKim thanks for your input, and glad I could spark some good hearty discussion!

    After a few days now and reading your comments, it just occurred to me another big reason why I would personally prefer not to have the like/upvote button:

    - there is already a Facebook
    - there is already a Twitter
    - there is already a Reddit
    - there is only one 200WAD!

    This is a unique platform and I can imagine in five years time some poor uni/college student writing their thesis on social engagement online and how this platform was so different with less ways to engage but somehow generated a lot more engagement and relationship building.

    @itsabhinaya @abrahamKim loved your observation on micro-relationships! We are micro-buddies! In all seriousness it's been so different on here, almost takes me back to the early days when you joined forums and chatrooms and actually talked to people ;-)

    Sam Lloyd avatar Sam Lloyd | Jan 14, 2019 04:16:14
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      @samlloyd

      Woah this post blew up. Great that you really wrote something that provoked the peeps!

      Abe avatar Abe | Jan 14, 2019 23:02:29
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      @abrahamKim I know right? Seems I hit a nerve :-)

      Sam Lloyd avatar Sam Lloyd | Jan 15, 2019 09:06:31
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    @samlloyd - How about a like that requires a selection -
    Like - Content Details
    Like - Writing Style
    Like - Emotion Connection
    Like - Learnt Something new

    It could still mean that someone would be lazy and select randomly but I think when getting feedback voluntarily from people, it ought to be as easy as possible and designed for the lazy in us all.

    Keni avatar Keni | Jan 13, 2019 20:06:16
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      @samlloyd @keni I like this. I think this is a happy medium between not having anything to just having a like.

      It might be interesting for the user to choose what those options would be as well.

      Abhinaya Konduru avatar Abhinaya Konduru | Jan 14, 2019 05:36:13
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    @samlloyd This is an interesting topic. I didn't feel like implementing a Like feature at first because it is lazy involvement indeed. Then I went back on the idea when some users started asking for it. Now I don't know lol. Maybe we should vote on Slack.

    Basile Samel avatar Basile Samel | Jan 11, 2019 09:37:35
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      @samlloyd @basilesamel Don't do it. This format forces people to do two things: write something semi-substantial and engage with other writers. Every other social community does the opposite; write and engage with others very superficially.

      Likes will ruin it. Likes are for Facebook and Instagram.

      I'd rather have nothing than a like.

      Gabriel Greco avatar Gabriel Greco | Jan 11, 2019 11:30:39
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      @samlloyd @gabrielgreco from the current results of the vote on SLack, I will postpone adding a Like feature for a time :)

      Basile Samel avatar Basile Samel | Jan 11, 2019 12:22:27
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    @samlloyd I agree with you. I think that I want to instinctively want to "like" others posts and switch to the next tab, but commenting makes me start a more thoughtful, engaging interaction with other writers. I think a comment is worth a thousand likes. =P

    Lex Tan avatar Lex Tan | Jan 11, 2019 08:45:46
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    @samlloyd your post is pretty convincing! Reflexively (after years of pavlovian conditioning on FB/Tw) I also thought having a Like button will encourage engagement. Now this made me think harder if that's really the case. I like the idea that as a community we can be confident enough to know what we like (pun intended) and don't like and not have to implement features just because FB has them.

    Jason Leow avatar Jason Leow | Jan 11, 2019 07:40:03
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    @samlloyd "Like”

    Yes, its incredibly easy to just "like" things, and in a way it gives a feeling of contributing. For the lazy people. But in social media it has become more than that. It can also impose the feeling of guilt if you don't like something. Which in turn leads to the neverending cycle of l"must like every post" to not hurt anyones feelings. God forbid, if you don't they might not like your posts back.
    I'm glad 200wad doesn't have the "like" - button.

    Janne Koponen avatar Janne Koponen | Jan 11, 2019 06:46:00
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    @samlloyd ? 100% agree. I was thinking the same thing.
    When I read an article on Medium, I tend to just clap it but never comment on it. I like that 200wad forces you to comment instead.

    Abhinaya Konduru avatar Abhinaya Konduru | Jan 11, 2019 05:14:49
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      @itsabhinaya I'll admit I'm lazy and will always default to just liking/upvoting. But right now I'm replying to your comment and it's just so much better than if I could have just liked/upvoted your comment.

      Sam Lloyd avatar Sam Lloyd | Jan 11, 2019 05:20:29
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      @samlloyd @itsabhinaya

      Hopping on this comment to also say I 100% agree.

      This has been on my mind since like a week ago, the same process you went through actually. I was literally thinking of emailing Baz about implementing a like feature, but then I was like, wait no. This site is about writing! Don't give people an easy out by implementing likes!

      I do love the juxtaposition between:
      the dirty-metrics producing 'like-feature'
      vs.
      the harder to measure 'conversations-feature'

      In the short run the former gives you a bigger buzz. In the short run, you might not even get a hint of the latter. But in the long run the latter feature really is much more fulfilling.

      I haven't even been on here a month and I already feel like I'm forming micro-relationships from the convos within the comments. I mean even the three of us in the past couple days! haha now that's meta ain't it?

      Abe avatar Abe | Jan 11, 2019 06:16:29
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      @samlloyd @abrahamKim micro-relationships for the win!

      Another thing to keep in mind is how the posts or comments sorted especially when at scale. One of the main reasons for "like" buttons is to help discover new content. 200wad might not be for that reason but it does help with sorting and a new user finding interesting posts.

      I still need to think about it but I wanted to see "page views" or "number of reads" at the end of the week.

      Abhinaya Konduru avatar Abhinaya Konduru | Jan 11, 2019 14:19:02
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